rasga Posted July 30, 2004 Report Share Posted July 30, 2004 When looking at FISLY Class 7 Specifications : (http://www.fisly.org/rules/class7.html) Any sand or land yacht which is sailed by a pilot standing upright, the rig of which will not remain upright unless the pilot is holding it, is considered to be a class 7. Surely if i am flying a kite and crouching on a board, am i now not a "Class 7", what happens when i let go of my handles and the fact i am hooked into the harness hook / karab and my "rig" stays "upright" even though i am not holding it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Nevermind Posted July 30, 2004 Report Share Posted July 30, 2004 Well i have no idea ask someone who knows lol Craig Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
axelant Posted July 30, 2004 Report Share Posted July 30, 2004 I think you may be reading too much into it. The definition is of the vehicle, not the act of using it. i.e. it says "which is sailed" to describe how it is used and the business of the rig being supported by the user doesn't say "at the material time" and therefore is a generalised statement. However, more importantly it says "Any sand or Land Yacht" and a landboard ain't a Yacht. It also has no rigging. By this definition I would say a kite/landboard cannot be a class 7. If you look at a class 8, it specifically states kite as the means of propulsion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flexibra Posted July 30, 2004 Report Share Posted July 30, 2004 Ras, I will try and remember to bring the FISLY rule book to the Ho for you do desipher(sp?) class 7 FB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rasga Posted July 30, 2004 Author Report Share Posted July 30, 2004 Axelant the reason i say that is because people on FED beaches class a ATB as a Class 7 Land Yacht, Something which i dispute. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitesurfa Posted July 30, 2004 Report Share Posted July 30, 2004 Class 7 are Land Surfers like these NOT Landboards http://www.landsurfer.com/thumbs/th_05-25-03%20El%20Mirage%2016.jpg http://www.landsurfer.com/image_15.html Class 8 are Buggies/ParaKarts which is the only Class whuich makes reference to kites LandBoards are not recognised as a Class... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitesurfa Posted July 30, 2004 Report Share Posted July 30, 2004 Class 7 Any sand or land yacht which is sailed by a pilot standing upright, the rig of which will not remain upright unless the pilot is holding it, is considered to be a class 7. the rig = sail, mast and boom. NOT KITE http://boatdesign.net/articles/windsurfer-technology/ Class 8 is the only Class which make reference to KITES and is for Buggies ONLY... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big-jon Posted July 30, 2004 Report Share Posted July 30, 2004 At the moment the 'Fed' do feel that mountainboards are class 7 land yachts. I was at the last AGM where they were discussing it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
axelant Posted July 30, 2004 Report Share Posted July 30, 2004 THey'd better change the defintion then.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8015 Posted July 30, 2004 Report Share Posted July 30, 2004 Um, any of you guys ever windsurfed or speedsailed? In these sports you also lean back, perhaps not crouch, to hold the power when fully powered up, and I would say that when crouching you are still upright, you are not balanced on your backside like all other yachts, but on your feet. As for the rig not staying upright if you don't hold it, yes you can use a harness (so can windsurfers so presumably speedsailers do too) to take your hands off the control system, but when unhooked letting go will make the kite ball up and plummet, and more importantly it will not be providing any power to the board. The fed position is interesting, because I was reading their website description of class 7 (not official rules, not FISLY) just yesterday and noticed something about the rig being attached to the board - this is almost certainly the website author trying to describe a speedsail rather than a positive move to exclude kite landboards. Personally I think a separate class should be instated - is 9 used yet??? This isn't the only country with thousands of landboarders, I'm sure FISLY would see the point in creating a new class, only thing is that whatever anyone says, the classes were introduced for racing, if no-one is interested in racing landboards, there is no point FISLY having a class for them. There is a point in having them classified so they can be allowed on FED beaches (and inland sites), although note that all clubs can restrict which classes they accept on their FED sites (and in the case of Wirral the council has told them which they will get a license to allow, currently that excludes class 7). As a new class has to come from FISLY (I presume), would it not be possible for BFSLYC (FED) to issue a statement that they consider kite-landboarding as a class 7 activity (as there appears to be some agreement), even if there needs to be subtext that masted and kite powered class 7's are to be raced separately? Then it will become more acceptable for all the thousands of landboards if councils continue to push for FED beaches run by FED clubs as they will definitely have access. Also this clarification might help to get class 7 permitted at Wirral - I wonder if the old school land yachters who are already outnumbered by class 8's want this though? Just some thoughts, BFSLYC say YES, FISLY are unclear, and we really need BFSLYC to make a firm statement that the councils/clubs can use when defining who can use beaches, the spirit of the thing is that landboards fall into class 7. JIM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spooky Posted July 30, 2004 Report Share Posted July 30, 2004 Makes no difference really as unless that the Fed allows landboards at that site, then it does not matter what class they are? Also if the FED is member led, ie that if enough peopel are memebers of said club at that site whish it to allow xxx class and the risk assesmnets are acceptable then you can us the site BUT how do you join a club so as to be able to get the site classes re-assesed if they do not allow it there/you to join? Jon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bad dad Posted July 30, 2004 Report Share Posted July 30, 2004 Land boarders are welcome to join our club C.L.S.C. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mell1599968579 Posted July 30, 2004 Report Share Posted July 30, 2004 We allow, Buggiers, Kite surfers, Landboaders, Power Kiters and Snow Kiting at whatever beaches/site that we can fly at and ALL of our meets, events too! (errm ok, so Snowkiters can turn up) Mell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big-jon Posted July 30, 2004 Report Share Posted July 30, 2004 on which beach is that then Mell ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mell1599968579 Posted July 30, 2004 Report Share Posted July 30, 2004 Errm dont bite too easy ! On EVERY beach or land where we are not breaking the law! Now, I think that that actually covers quite a few, its probably easier to list those that we cant use! mell p.s. Yes, that post was tongue in cheek! on which beach is that then Mell ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big-jon Posted July 30, 2004 Report Share Posted July 30, 2004 Sorry Mell I do bite easily!! Maybe it's cause I am a scouser !!! Youy do what you have to do mate and so will I. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bad dad Posted July 30, 2004 Report Share Posted July 30, 2004 Sorry Mell I do bite easily!! Maybe it's cause I am a scouser !!! Youy do what you have to do mate and so will I.At least, like us you’re doing something about things not just moaning like most people on this post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamski Posted July 31, 2004 Report Share Posted July 31, 2004 I dont moan, just take my £5mill of bbc insurance and play:D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bad dad Posted July 31, 2004 Report Share Posted July 31, 2004 I dont moan, just take my £5mill of bbc insurance and play:Dgood on you mate at least one person who doesnt moan and gets on with things Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
c00ky Posted July 31, 2004 Report Share Posted July 31, 2004 Missed who is moaning in this thread but agree with issue about Type 7. I agree that when you compare Type 7 Rules to Type 8, Type 7 is very, very, very vague (1 paragraph), Type 8 has 2 pages of dimensions, statements etc etc. I think that Type 9 would help all, 1. It may instigate Type 9 racing (as I am under impression that the only kite racing there is involves buggys) I am sure some of us berks want to hoot and say Hah Im faster than you! 2. It "legitimises" Landboards in the eyes of the FED, if we have a specification that means we can then start petitioning clubs that dont allow landboards to let us in. If we dont "exist" then they dont have to worry about us (dogmatic statement I know, but just trying to express the common issue). I posted on the BLSYC forum this very issue and proposed a Type 9, and no-one commented. The other issue is that I understand that all Land yacht types cannot have brakes, which means that any Dirtsurfer based landboard would currently not be acceptable as it has a brake (and makes it a safer platform to kite from). Anyhoo, enough of my whinging, I will take this on, as an d when I get confirmation of my Carmarthen Land sailing Club membership (Where they do accept landboards as Type 7). And hopefully use that to get something finally written down about us boarders! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bad dad Posted July 31, 2004 Report Share Posted July 31, 2004 Missed who is moaning in this thread but agree with issue about Type 7. I agree that when you compare Type 7 Rules to Type 8, Type 7 is very, very, very vague (1 paragraph), Type 8 has 2 pages of dimensions, statements etc etc. I think that Type 9 would help all, 1. It may instigate Type 9 racing (as I am under impression that the only kite racing there is involves buggys) I am sure some of us berks want to hoot and say Hah Im faster than you! 2. It "legitimises" Landboards in the eyes of the FED, if we have a specification that means we can then start petitioning clubs that dont allow landboards to let us in. If we dont "exist" then they dont have to worry about us (dogmatic statement I know, but just trying to express the common issue). I posted on the BLSYC forum this very issue and proposed a Type 9, and no-one commented. The other issue is that I understand that all Land yacht types cannot have brakes, which means that any Dirtsurfer based landboard would currently not be acceptable as it has a brake (and makes it a safer platform to kite from). Anyhoo, enough of my whinging, I will take this on, as an d when I get confirmation of my Carmarthen Land sailing Club membership (Where they do accept landboards as Type 7). And hopefully use that to get something finally written down about us boarders!If the club can help in any way it will. Your membership stickers etc will be with you 3rd week of next month. steve. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedsailors Posted July 31, 2004 Report Share Posted July 31, 2004 Hi Speedsails are the true Class 7 www.speedsail.com but FISLY have tagged landkiteboarding on to this as well, i do think that there should be a different class for landkiteboarding, its only really a problem in this country, as in other countries their land yacht assoc include landkiteboards with speedsails, but in this country perkins slade insurance wont allow kites on our insurance, so i think there should be another class formed, as there is very little that is the same between speedsails and kitelandboards other than 4 wheels and you are standing, but a kite and a sail are very different. Anyway if anyone wants a very fast kitelandboard you should try a speedkiteboard, no good for jumping though but very fast for racing !!!!!!!! Anyway i think this debate will go on and on. Cheers Chris Moore Chairman British Land Speedsail Association (BLSA) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamski Posted July 31, 2004 Report Share Posted July 31, 2004 Hi Anyway i think this debate will go on and on. No, I think most landboarders would just lose the will to live when attacked with a rulebook compiled by the anal trainspotters of kitedom for the obsessive followers of rules that get all scared if not wrapped in red tape! You keep on debating boys, I will be over there... on that beach, playing with my funkywheeled device that we cant even agree a name on:D (edit) please include your sad little name with your abusive neg reps please, so I know who to laugh and point at in the real world! (edit) kitesurfa and Mell1599968579 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mell1599968579 Posted July 31, 2004 Report Share Posted July 31, 2004 Blimey, Feels like were getting back to the roots of why we are here in the first place! Mell No, I think most landboarders would just lose the will to live when attacked with a rulebook compiled by the anal trainspotters of kitedom for the obsessive followers of rules that get all scared if not wrapped in red tape! You keep on debating boys, I will be over there... on that beach, playing with my funkywheeled device that we cant even agree a name on:D (edit) please include your sad little name with your abusive neg reps please, so I know who to laugh and point at in the real world! (edit) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamski Posted July 31, 2004 Report Share Posted July 31, 2004 Blimey, Feels like were getting back to the roots of why we are here in the first place! Mell Wot.. sorry, was I accidently enjoying myself when I should have been bickering? Want a can of this? I have a nice fire round that dune! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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