muttleyflying Posted September 28, 2011 Report Share Posted September 28, 2011 Hi after some info i want to take my buggy out this weekend and was looking at Southport or Hoylake but it all seems a minefield of red tape can any one give advice please i have spka insurance and dont really want to join any clubs as i live in staffordshire so dont get to the coast very often. Can i just go on the beach without joining a club or is it council specific requirement? Cheers for any info Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chinook Posted September 28, 2011 Report Share Posted September 28, 2011 (edited) To buggy at ainsdale/southport you need third party insurance so your SPKA is fine. The protocol there is you are suppose to show your insurance at the wardens hut before any kite traction there and they give you an annual permit to buggy etc. However since public sector cutbacks there seems very little warden patrols over the weekend and recently I've witnessed on a number of occasions people on land boards and in buggy's with no helmets and the wardens never appeared bothered despite it being one of the rules of using the traction kite area. Years ago they would have been stopping you straight away. Edited September 29, 2011 by chinook Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muttleyflying Posted September 28, 2011 Author Report Share Posted September 28, 2011 i have all the gear helmets pads etc and am hopefully sensible on the safety front just need to get to grips with any regs as i am travelling a fair distance to get there. thanks for the reply Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BladeAddict Posted September 28, 2011 Report Share Posted September 28, 2011 For Hoylake you need to either be a member of WSYC or get a member to sign you in for the day/weekend. However if you come this weekend bring your wetsuit as the tide will be in Hoylake isnt useable between tides as it takes too long to dry out, it works on Spring and Neap tides. So your best bet is Ainsdale Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chinook Posted September 28, 2011 Report Share Posted September 28, 2011 Thinking about going to the Dale myself on Sunday for some practice before the BKSA at Blackpool next week. However XC only showing 2mph winds. Might be worth checking before you make the trip. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbuggy Posted September 29, 2011 Report Share Posted September 29, 2011 Move to Scotland muttley. Better winds and no regulations on the beaches. Hoylake the clue is in the LAKE part of the name also mud and a shit load of regulations to circumnavigate and your SPKA insurance is useless there. QUOTE: To use the site you must be a member of WSYC. Membership will include insurance sourced by the BFSLYC ( The Fed.) and currently, no other insurance is permitted, although some other insurance policies are recognised by the Fed for events. Regattas are covered by different conditions as all entrants are documented. Wow I just Googled staffordshire, you seriously have to move dude your in the middle of England! Ainsdale is your best bet for kiting but its like being in a sweetie shop and only being allowed to eat the extra strong mints. You have a beach close to 15 miles long and your only allowed to play in 1.5 miles of it, I think more in the Winter but not much more. Still a good beach though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris S Posted September 29, 2011 Report Share Posted September 29, 2011 I also live in Staffordshire and am a member of WSYC. It is well worth joining, no red tape and a good friendly atmosphere. I think some of their website is a bit out of date and I am pretty sure your SPKA is acceptable. If you have a look at the website (http://www.wsyc.org.uk/wsyc_pages/wsyc_sailsite_tides.aspx) you will see the dates it's available. Joolz is the person to speak to (Club secretary) he'll have all the info you need. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batz Posted September 29, 2011 Report Share Posted September 29, 2011 Move to Scotland muttley. Better winds and no regulations on the beaches. Hoylake the clue is in the LAKE part of the name also mud and a shit load of regulations to circumnavigate and your SPKA insurance is useless there. QUOTE: To use the site you must be a member of WSYC. Membership will include insurance sourced by the BFSLYC ( The Fed.) and currently, no other insurance is permitted, although some other insurance policies are recognised by the Fed for events. Regattas are covered by different conditions as all entrants are documented. Wow I just Googled staffordshire, you seriously have to move dude your in the middle of England! Ainsdale is your best bet for kiting but its like being in a sweetie shop and only being allowed to eat the extra strong mints. You have a beach close to 15 miles long and your only allowed to play in 1.5 miles of it, I think more in the Winter but not much more. Still a good beach though. I never had insurance issues........ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BladeAddict Posted September 29, 2011 Report Share Posted September 29, 2011 The rules for insurance at Hoylake have changed and they now accept any insurance, and the membership fee is reduced accordingly. No red tape; show your insurance, pay your money, you're a member. Shit load of regulations being - wear a helmet and display your number on your buggy. Not that hard really Come down next dry weekend and I'll sign you in and you can give it a try, but be prepared to want to join and thats an open invitation to anybody who wants to try it out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olo Posted September 29, 2011 Report Share Posted September 29, 2011 I might come one weekend for couple of hours. Hoylake looks good on all photos but it's so freaking far away from where I live :/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youngged Posted September 29, 2011 Report Share Posted September 29, 2011 Olo there are a number of members who live by you already, share traveling costs ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8015 Posted September 29, 2011 Report Share Posted September 29, 2011 Move to Scotland muttley. Better winds and no regulations on the beaches. Hoylake the clue is in the LAKE part of the name also mud and a shit load of regulations to circumnavigate and your SPKA insurance is useless there. QUOTE: To use the site you must be a member of WSYC. Membership will include insurance sourced by the BFSLYC ( The Fed.) and currently, no other insurance is permitted, although some other insurance policies are recognised by the Fed for events. Regattas are covered by different conditions as all entrants are documented. Unfortunately this is quite innaccurate now Alan, as Mark has already said the insurance requirements changed about 2 years ago and the club actually encourage buggiers to use SPKA or similar insurance if they never plan to use a masted sand yacht (which is not covered by kiting insurance). Membership has always been available with or without FED insurance even when it was the only type allowed so that people could join more than 1 FED club without paying twice for insurance. Another possibility for people thinking about the rest of this year, the club has always offered half price membership from 1st july, need to contact Joolz and make sure it still does, if so it's a good way to get to know the sand bank without breaking the money bank - then you can decide if you want to be a full member in the future or it's all just too much hassle. Also the clue in the LAKE part is kind of irrelevant now too, the marine lake has silted up creating the play park we have now, there is still a tidal creek which creates a muddy band to cross (the spot we used for the euros is nowhere near the normal access point which has a sandy causeway for the lifeboat). It does still mean the highest part of the sandbank is about 1.5km from the shoreline and sometimes it can be a bit damp in between - again the Euros were exceptionally bad because of the storm surges and heavy rain. The wet areas we had for the Euros were nothing like the old marine lake which was deep enough to bring large ships right up to the prom! There is still a marine lake around the corner at West Kirby. It's a real shame the bank didn't dry to it's normal state for the Euros, mind you with the wind we had if it had dried out some soft banks would have formed which would have changed the racing a lot! Scotland is great from the perspective of the land reform act and the access code, which mean that not only do we have uncontested responsible access, but that the local authorities are actually supposed to be facilitating access. There is however a reason why I am also a member at Hoylake..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaRRy Posted September 29, 2011 Report Share Posted September 29, 2011 I might come one weekend for couple of hours. Hoylake looks good on all photos but it's so freaking far away from where I live :/ Guess it all relative where in Staffordshire are you as WSYC has members all over the county. Im in Tamworth and we also have members In Stoke ,Burton and Stafford that I know of. Pretty certain in the county you can not be much further from Hoylake than me and I can get there in two hoursish no problem. Once you have been and seen the size of the play area and our facilities I'm pretty certain you will return (that's why we have members from much further away) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbuggy Posted September 29, 2011 Report Share Posted September 29, 2011 Unfortunately this is quite innaccurate now Alan,.... I stand corrected. Best someone changes the website then :eek: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muttleyflying Posted September 29, 2011 Author Report Share Posted September 29, 2011 wow thanks for all the info i live near Lichfield in staffordshire and dont mind travelling a couple of hours to get some buggy action just need to be sure of protocol and conditions and any local knowledge before i set off as i dont want a wasted journey by not doing a bit of homework. I have only taken up the buggying side of kiting this year so class myself as a novice. Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olo Posted September 29, 2011 Report Share Posted September 29, 2011 My problem is not having a Driving Licence (my girlfriend is my beautiful and patient driver). Another thing - Bolton Le Sands is closer and it's my usual spot (who has ever been there know what I'm talking about ) I just though it might be nice to try famous Hoylake Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8015 Posted September 29, 2011 Report Share Posted September 29, 2011 I stand corrected. Best someone changes the website then :eek: Odd, the current wording on the website reads the way it always used to (£68 total fees), but if you actually open up the application form you will notice a big box to tick if you have public liability insurance already, there is even a table listing the memberships fees for people with different requirements (£40 for just membership with your own insurance, will be £20 for half year now). Your membership money gets you use of the clubhouse, workshop etc. It's quite modest but useful to hang out in if it's raining, and it has toilets and showers. I agree, we could do with a bit more info on the membership page - most people will give up at that point without opening up the membership form to discover all the options. (Are you reading Joolz/Rob/whoever has control of it now?) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbuggy Posted September 30, 2011 Report Share Posted September 30, 2011 Odd, the current wording on the website reads the way it always used to (£68 total fees), but if you actually open up the application form you will notice a big box to tick if you have public liability insurance already, there is even a table listing the memberships fees for people with different requirements (£40 for just membership with your own insurance, will be £20 for half year now). Your membership money gets you use of the clubhouse, workshop etc. It's quite modest but useful to hang out in if it's raining, and it has toilets and showers. I agree, we could do with a bit more info on the membership page - most people will give up at that point without opening up the membership form to discover all the options. (Are you reading Joolz/Rob/whoever has control of it now?) My original quote is directly from the website and I'm sure yours is as well as I said time to update to prevent convusion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avspider Posted September 30, 2011 Report Share Posted September 30, 2011 No red tape; show your insurance, pay your money, you're a member. Shit load of regulations being - wear a helmet and display your number on your buggy. Not that hard really Come down next dry weekend and I'll sign you in and you can give it a try, but be prepared to want to join and thats an open invitation to anybody who wants to try it out. Cool, when is it next dry so you can sign me in so I can try? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youngged Posted September 30, 2011 Report Share Posted September 30, 2011 alan u muppet next dry bank is next week 4th-8th oct Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8015 Posted September 30, 2011 Report Share Posted September 30, 2011 My original quote is directly from the website I don't doubt it - we do have quite a lot of pages! Can you remember which page that came from so I can steer the webmaster in the right direction? I don't see it on any of the obvious pages, but I admit I have been skimming rather than reading them in full. Cheers Jim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbuggy Posted September 30, 2011 Report Share Posted September 30, 2011 I don't doubt it - we do have quite a lot of pages! Can you remember which page that came from so I can steer the webmaster in the right direction? I don't see it on any of the obvious pages, but I admit I have been skimming rather than reading them in full. Cheers Jim NP Jim its here on this page http://www.wsyc.org.uk/wsyc_pages/wsyc_sailsite_use.aspx And just for curiosities sake what have the council got against land boarders? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8015 Posted September 30, 2011 Report Share Posted September 30, 2011 NP Jim its here on this page http://www.wsyc.org.uk/wsyc_pages/wsyc_sailsite_use.aspx Cheers Alan, I have advised the secretary. And just for curiosities sake what have the council got against land boarders? No-one is entirely sure. It seems that there is/was some nervousness about control of vehicles steered only by weight (this may be involved with cunning wording to ban motorbikes?), so speedsails and landboards are excluded from the license which the club have from the council. Generally speaking the beach is not that good for landboards, but given the size of it, there will almost always be an area that is not only suitable but plenty big enough, even if it is a tiny part of what is out there. Interestingly the next council to the North/East have no such restrictions and I beleive that landboarders used to use the beach at New Brighton (and may still do so), with a suggestion that it was more suitable anyway. Not being a landboarder and not having visited New Brighton I cannot confirm if this is true or spin. Some people will see a conspiracy theory in everything, and just because they're paranoid doesn't mean no-one is out to get them Of course immediately to the South/West of the licensed site is designated a bird reserve and there is no access to that for any kiting for some distance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick1599968727 Posted September 30, 2011 Report Share Posted September 30, 2011 im sure nobody in the club will be too upset at this, but our website is bloody awfull, im sure there is a saying about your better having no information than wrong information. I can almost hear the keyboards typing away as i speak (so to say) saying why dont I do a new website ! well id assume thats a comittee decision, and dont forget the club is for sandyachts too. are there no web experts in the club, id have thought a small site would have been an evenings work! flameproof underpants on Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8015 Posted October 3, 2011 Report Share Posted October 3, 2011 Well the secretary's reply noted that he has been thinking it's about time for a revamp on the website, so maybe fewer people to get upset than you might fear...??? As for web experts in the club - how do you think we came to have such a complex site in the first place? I doubt if many newer members know who the webmaster is, but he still takes an interest in club affairs even though he rarely sails any more. I won't say too much because at present it's just an idea in the secretary's head and he hasn't even spoken to the webmaster, but if it comes together he might be looking for a number 'authors' from all branches/classes to keep a revamped website up to date, can we presume that your name will be going forward? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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