ady Posted July 13, 2011 Report Share Posted July 13, 2011 Yuo've done it now lads,,,,,i can't hear him,,,,,think he's hiding behind the sofa. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BASKETCASE1599968764 Posted July 13, 2011 Report Share Posted July 13, 2011 I have just spent the last 30 mins reading this thread . I have come to 2 conclusions . 1: I wish I lived somewhere that had a club like hoy. Down here in Portsmouth we have a field that is either covered in goose or dog shit , depending on time of year. Or another that is behind the local Hilton hotel , that only ever any use if the wind is north to east. Other options are southampton or west witterings, the former is playing fields and the later is on a beach that has many restrictions. 2: weazel, you need to stop whinging about something you obviously know nothing about . I was going to say stop being a asshole , but mummy told me not to be rude . Ps , are you a lib dem mp ? Just wondering Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy No Mates Posted July 13, 2011 Report Share Posted July 13, 2011 the thing that ive gathered from hoylake is, its a buggy club and the members like it that way. thats not a bad thing as in the north west there are dozens of other spots to kitesurf or landboard that are better suited. ps weasil youre a cock. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avspider Posted July 13, 2011 Report Share Posted July 13, 2011 Weazel, What exactly are you trying to achieve? And why? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STATEDLIGHT Posted July 13, 2011 Report Share Posted July 13, 2011 Fell free to come and have a nose with no obligation. There will be people around all weekend as we are running a first aid course for members (something else we waste our members fees on ) I think I may just do that, ta Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smackay116 Posted July 13, 2011 Report Share Posted July 13, 2011 Dont think he has blamed the buggy racers for makeing the sand soft yet has he? Lol Stu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bex Posted July 13, 2011 Report Share Posted July 13, 2011 Mmmmm very tricky subject.. Now £40 is a lot of money to some people not to others. Some will have no limit to how much they are willing to pay for there hobby, others have to do it on a shoe string....We all know councils are tossers who hate people having a good time especially when they ain't making no money out of it, and are permanently paranoid about insurance issues, claims against them now in this time of no win no fee!! and also what the local minority Mr angry or Mrs winger think, and now are always bowing down to voting pressure....I can see where Weasel is coming from, and like every body else I believe every beach is? and should be public property no council interference and used anyway you want within reason, If a club is the only way to keep the beach open then a club is the only way to go... or loose it.... well IMHO.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weazel Posted July 13, 2011 Report Share Posted July 13, 2011 (edited) http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/2719/dsc08179th.th.jpg Rhosneigr is a good example to explain, the council are forced to deal with the issue as there tourisum will be one of the things that keeps the place going. without the kitesurfers, boarders, buggyers etc .... economically it wouldnt have grown. so they have to organise a system that works, maps etc .. by dumping all there problems on the club they have reduced the potentional for the area, as the club has focused on its own survival, which is fine. i think it might have lost the bigger picture, pull more people into the sport, from any background. the area will ajust and the council will be forced to deal with the issue, as the local economy starts to rely on the tourisum they will no longer be able to afford to ban anything, you will no longer have a threat. keeping the area an exclusive club, limiting sports and for only people that can afford it is detrimental to that growth, help others to help yourselfs Edited July 14, 2011 by weazel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nudge1599968719 Posted July 13, 2011 Report Share Posted July 13, 2011 weazel - Really WTF are you on!? Are you just a flamer?? Or just a whinger!!? Its not rocket science to you is it? Maybe your more meercat than weazel so I will put it in SIMPLES terms 1. Council says form a club and you can use Hoylake 2. Council says dont have a club and you cant use Hoylake Membership is paid by members which is then turned back into the club for members to benefit through courses a club house storage etc. 1. The CLUB has no problems with landboarders the COUNCIL does, which is being now looked at and WILL SOON be rectified. 2. The COUNCIL makes the RULES NOT the CLUB to who can USE the beach. FFS get off the roundabout and smell the coffee. Garry I live at the far end of the country being Plymouth, but I hope to one day visit Hoy and I am SURE that your members will make me feel very welcome and sign me in for a days fly to enjoy myself. Then we can all have a laff in the club house afterwards at this ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weazel Posted July 14, 2011 Report Share Posted July 14, 2011 (edited) weazel - 1. The CLUB has no problems with landboarders the COUNCIL does, which is being now looked at and WILL SOON be rectified. 2. The COUNCIL makes the RULES NOT the CLUB to who can USE the beach. the council put the club in full charge in 2002, thats the clubs responsibility i've asked for a 1) constitution 2) letter to be posted regarding landboarding 3) local beach bylaws all 3 requests ignored and not posted. there is no evidence to show me anything Edited July 14, 2011 by weazel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaRRy Posted July 14, 2011 Report Share Posted July 14, 2011 the thing that ive gathered from hoylake is, its a buggy club and the members like it that way. thats not a bad thing as in the north west there are dozens of other spots to kitesurf or landboard that are better suited. ps weasil youre a cock. Actual to be precise we are a landsailing club as we also have members who use sand/land yachts. In fact they formed the club hence Wirral Sand Yacht Club. We do actually have members who also landboard and kitesurf although as you say as there are better places to do these they do them elsewhere. This is one of reasons getting access for landboards has never been a priority as our own landboarding members really dont see the point. We have now reached a position where we have the councils trust and in e interest of fairness are hoping to have this resolved by end of the year at the latest. As for kite surfers if any want to join to make use of the facilities (hot showers, vehicles to get over bank to sea) I'm sure they would be made welcome as the more members we have the lower we can keep the costs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris P Posted July 14, 2011 Report Share Posted July 14, 2011 Just for my own curiosity... I'd like to visit at some point but what are the options for that? Day pass? Guest signed in? Paying full membership? there are probably more options but i'd guess those cover most. the reason for asking is as i've said i'd like to visit and try the beach in a buggy to see if its worth me paying a years membership. £68 doesn't seem a lot when i compare it to the £180 i pay to kite inland but the curcumstances are totally different for the place i regularly fly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batz Posted July 14, 2011 Report Share Posted July 14, 2011 No just all stop responding to him and maybe he will get the message that people think he's wrong. I would never suggest banning someone just because I don't agree with them. LOL. I wasn't really suggesting option 2 GaRRy BUT locking it seems a plan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spock Posted July 14, 2011 Report Share Posted July 14, 2011 (edited) if you have insurance and stick to the rules outlined by the council then i don't see why you should have to join a club, i'd rather pay for a permit from the council and have no club facilities than be part of a club. having said that, this one seems to be run well, you can get signed in for a day, or if you are up there for a week then i don't think an extra 40 quid is a lot on top of the price of a holiday. the thing that makes you really think is that some of the members get first aid training, if that training helps one person, even if you don't know them or don't like them, then you have to consider your 40 quid as money well spent. as for weazel, i don't think he is asking too much to request you post your rules, byelaws and constitution. if someone told you that you couldn't do something, then you would ask for proof. if he comes over and tries to fly without insurance at the beach, he would also ask for proof of the law that says he can't do that, would he just be bundled off in a police car? the main thing i hate about clubs/groups of people is the sheep mentality, like on this thread, everyone calling weazel a cock pretty much for pushing for some rules and byelaws to be posted. i guess you are ok if you just pays your money or agree with everyone else. when the sport wasn't so popular you could just about kite anywhere, the more popular it becomes, the more restrictions get put in. when you break that down to club level what happens then, what happens when everyone ends up at hoylake because everywhere else is banned? you restrict memberships to local people? you restrict numbers of users at any one time? you put up membership fees because demand > supply? or ultimately, are we going to have to join a club wherever we fly? is that the way forward? Edited July 14, 2011 by Spock Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redmark Posted July 14, 2011 Report Share Posted July 14, 2011 +1 for above post all i see here is folk having a go at weasel for asking a few legitamate questions Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ViralEye Posted July 14, 2011 Report Share Posted July 14, 2011 +2. The guy is just putting his POV across and all he gets back is insults. I was going to try Hoylake as it free, now I know there is a fee I shall try elsewhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cafe.Racer Posted July 14, 2011 Report Share Posted July 14, 2011 The only reason people are having a go at Weazel is the way he's gone about "asking" for the information. His reasoning is inconsistent he seems to not accept the facts when they are presented to him, people are suspicious of his motive(s) and are quite right to be IMHO. Clearly, like the last few posters, he feels that beaches should be free to use and does not seem to accept that the council have stipulated that there must be a club. He's taken this out on the club, direct, which has annoyed folks - clearly as they are the ones that put in the hard work to keep the beach open to land yachts and buggies, and are working to get this extended to land boards. Remember, non of the club members gets paid and is likely to spend a lot of their free time contributing hours to the club, so, to have some keyboard warrior (who's clearly got no intention of even going) question what they do, how they've gone about it and DEMAND information that he has no real right to see... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nudge1599968719 Posted July 14, 2011 Report Share Posted July 14, 2011 http://www.wsyc.org.uk/wsyc_pages/wsyc_club_rules.aspx http://www.wsyc.org.uk/wsyc_pages/wsyc_main_site_map.aspx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaRRy Posted July 14, 2011 Report Share Posted July 14, 2011 Can we now call a end on this. Lets all agree Name calling does not help any of us and i would like to point out that a lot of the strong posts on here in defense of WSYC are not even from members of club. In a ideal world access to Hoylake would be free to all but currently that is not a option. The club exists because the alternative is a complete ban. Finally remember none of this information has come from official club channels (bearing in mind im on the comittee but i dont speak for the whole club or its comittee on this forum in any official way) And for those who may still think the council has nothing to do with this. Sandyachting and Parakarting | WIRRAL Borough Council Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mouthwash Posted July 14, 2011 Report Share Posted July 14, 2011 It's quite a concern really. Once Brid Council ban Fraisthorpe because of all the knob heads buzzing other legitimate beach users we might find Hoy as the only beach (well, tidal bank) left open...! Good news is - landboards sink at Hoy. Come one come all, you can get signed in and then stand around - top fun! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redmark Posted July 14, 2011 Report Share Posted July 14, 2011 all i want to say to this is beaches should be free to use, the point here to me is to use this beach you must be a member of a club, i know its not the doing of the club that these rules apply its the council, but like i suggested why not have a cheaper option to join the club or even free membership for people who dont want to use the clubs facilities yes i here you say why should i pay the club fees and not you well that is easy to me as like you said the fees are for the facilities and not the actual use of the beach so if you want your clubhouse and storage ect thats fine and may i add a cheap price for such a service but if not why pay also this will increase members numbers and to me that a positive thing for the club as more members = more voices when situations arise The only reason people are having a go at Weazel is the way he's gone about "asking" for the information. His reasoning is inconsistent he seems to not accept the facts when they are presented to him, people are suspicious of his motive(s) and are quite right to be IMHO. Clearly, like the last few posters, he feels that beaches should be free to use and does not seem to accept that the council have stipulated that there must be a club. He's taken this out on the club, direct, which has annoyed folks - clearly as they are the ones that put in the hard work to keep the beach open to land yachts and buggies, and are working to get this extended to land boards. Remember, non of the club members gets paid and is likely to spend a lot of their free time contributing hours to the club, so, to have some keyboard warrior (who's clearly got no intention of even going) question what they do, how they've gone about it and DEMAND information that he has no real right to see... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaRRy Posted July 14, 2011 Report Share Posted July 14, 2011 all i want to say to this is beaches should be free to use, the point here to me is to use this beach you must be a member of a club, i know its not the doing of the club that these rules apply its the council, but like i suggested why not have a cheaper option to join the club or even free membership for people who dont want to use the clubs facilities yes i here you say why should i pay the club fees and not you well that is easy to me as like you said the fees are for the facilities and not the actual use of the beach so if you want your clubhouse and storage ect thats fine and may i add a cheap price for such a service but if not why pay also this will increase members numbers and to me that a positive thing for the club as more members = more voices when situations arise As you say free would be good but isn't going to happen. We have considered a cheaper beach only no facilities option (there would still have to be a small fee for admin etc) However this opens a new can of worms as it then risks becoming a us and them club. And also where do you draw the line as I bet it would not be long before some one who is not a full member decides it's ok to use the loos or asks for a quick lift back in one of the club vehicles (for the record it's over of a quarter mile walk out through mud etc to get out on the bank) or wants to park in the car park etc etc and then that just causes even more issues arguing who should pay and who shouldn't. Trust me if you come and see what you get for £40 you won't be complaining and more members = lower fees anyway as were are not out to make a profit just cover the costs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrphil Posted July 14, 2011 Report Share Posted July 14, 2011 ok l take it back about the name calling... Sorry Weazel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weazel Posted July 14, 2011 Report Share Posted July 14, 2011 As you say free would be good but isn't going to happen. We have considered a cheaper beach only no facilities option (there would still have to be a small fee for admin etc) However this opens a new can of worms as it then risks becoming a us and them club. And also where do you draw the line as I bet it would not be long before some one who is not a full member decides it's ok to use the loos or asks for a quick lift back in one of the club vehicles (for the record it's over of a quarter mile walk out through mud etc to get out on the bank) or wants to park in the car park etc etc and then that just causes even more issues arguing who should pay and who shouldn't. Trust me if you come and see what you get for £40 you won't be complaining and more members = lower fees anyway as were are not out to make a profit just cover the costs. for £40 there probably is alot there admin charge is acceptable, i understand your can of worms that is a dilemma - brainstorm is in order Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weazel Posted July 14, 2011 Report Share Posted July 14, 2011 As you say free would be good but isn't going to happen. We have considered a cheaper beach only no facilities option (there would still have to be a small fee for admin etc) However this opens a new can of worms as it then risks becoming a us and them club. And also where do you draw the line as I bet it would not be long before some one who is not a full member decides it's ok to use the loos or asks for a quick lift back in one of the club vehicles (for the record it's over of a quarter mile walk out through mud etc to get out on the bank) or wants to park in the car park etc etc and then that just causes even more issues arguing who should pay and who shouldn't. Trust me if you come and see what you get for £40 you won't be complaining and more members = lower fees anyway as were are not out to make a profit just cover the costs. for £40 there probably is alot there admin charge is acceptable, i understand your can of worms that is a dilemma - brainstorm is in order Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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